求问关于TS冷热

alexjuven

请问TS和传统的战棋区别是什么？另外TS可以solo玩吗？谢谢

heimdall

TS是一个区域控制类游戏，双方利用自己的手牌，或者利用点数，或者利用事件，尽量多占领地图上的国家。然后利用计分卡或某些事件卡莱获得分数，达到20分得人胜利，或者引起核危机大战的人直接失败。

TS是一个双人博弈游戏，solo的话基本上没有办法玩。

wuxiangfeng

heimdall 发表于 2010-12-4 12:39
TS是一个区域控制类游戏，双方利用自己的手牌，或者利用点数，或者利用事件，尽量多占领地图上的国家。然后 ...

+1楼上正解

mjxzg

楼上正解 TS的算子让人有种战棋的错觉实际上完全不是一回事 TS是区域控制，算子不代表军事单位而且完全没有办法SOLO 想要推演一下貌似也可以

feitianhou

TS是战棋，但是是区域控制型的=、=和传统战棋感觉差距还是有点的

枫岫主人

如果你是一个被纳粹关起来的奥地利会计，也许可以solo

alexjuven

不是有个变体规则吗玩不出味道？周围没人愿意那么长时间坐那玩一盘啊

hikkiboa

长嘛？熟练的话1小时多一会10个回合就完成了更别说点背直接被打死的局了

枫岫主人

我3个回合完成过欧洲KO

乔克叔叔

有些bt玩家是solo玩的

alexjuven

找不到人开希望solo也能体会到乐趣啊

皓月孤星

{:4_163:}solo少了很多乐趣，个人感觉

zx32167

就在坛子里找的，LZ看看吧
In this variant, you play both the Soviets and the U.S. and try to maximize play for both nations. The purpose of the variant is to avoid the difficulty of playing two hands simultaneously and attempting to ignore one’s knowledge of what the other hand holds when playing cards.
在这个变体里面，你同时代表苏联和美国，并且尝试最大化双方的势力。这个变体的目的是避免你同时代表双方时，对另外一方手牌的了解造成的影响。
Set-Up
设置
The set-up of this variant is the same as the regular game.
变体的设置跟原始版一样
Play
开始游戏
All rules of the regular game apply, except:
所有规则都跟原始版一样，除了：

There are no hands in this game. Cards are drawn off the top of the deck one at a time and played immediately.
游戏里没有手牌的概念。每次从牌堆顶翻开一张牌，并且马上生效。（我的疑问：要分早中晚期吗？）
All Soviet Cards are played by the Soviets. All US Cards are played by the US. Whenever a Soviet or US a card is drawn, the player has the option to play it as an Event or as Ops.
所有苏联牌都看成由苏联打出，所有美国牌都看成是美国打出。当牌翻出时，玩家可以决定用事件还是用行动点。
All split Red/White star cards are wild cards. They are played by the nation that is behind on the VP track. If the VP track is at 0, the US plays the card in the Early War, and the Soviets play the card in the Mid or Late War. Split cards may be played as events or Ops.
所有双方共通的事件牌是‘野卡’。这些卡看成是由胜利点上落后的国家打出。如果胜利点在0点，那么在早期冷战中看成是美国打出的，在中晚期冷战中看成是苏联打出的。这些卡同样可以用于事件或者行动点。
Please note that many Event cards have diminished value as Events in this variant. Any Event that affects turn order or hand management, for example, will have no value as Event cards. All such cards should be played as Ops card.
请注意很多卡作为事件的价值在这个变体里已经大幅减少。例如所有影响出牌顺序或者手牌的事件卡将变得没有价值。这些卡应该作为行动点来使用。
When unique event cards (those that are removed if used as events) are played as events, they are removed from the game. If played as Ops, unique event cards are recycled into the next deck, unless the game is in the Late War phase, in which case they are removed from the game.
当独有卡（事件发生后移除的）当做事件使用后同样移除出游戏。如果作为行动点使用后，这些卡可以重洗到新牌堆。除非是在晚期冷战阶段，这种情况下，也要移除出游戏。
Non-unique event cards (those that are not removed if used as events) are always recycled into the next deck, unless the game is in the Late War phase, in which case they are removed from the game.
非独有卡（事件发生后不用移除的）在使用后可以重洗到新牌堆。除非在晚期冷战阶段，这种情况下，也要移除出游戏。
Scoring Cards are implemented immediately upon drawing them. In the Early and Mid War phases, after implementing scoring cards, place them on the bottom of the deck currently in play. At the end of the Early and Mid War phases, the regions are scored a second time and then the scoring cards are shuffled into the next deck. As a result, the Early War Scoring cards are scored 5 times during the game (during the Early and Mid War and at the conclusion of the Early, Mid and Late War), and the Mid War Scoring cards are scored 3 times during the game (during the Mid War and at the conclusion of the Mid and Late War).
记分卡被翻出时马上生效。在早期和中期冷战阶段，在计分后把记分卡放到现在的牌堆底部。在早期和中期冷战结束的时候，该地区进行第二次计分，并把记分卡洗到新牌堆中。因此，早期的记分卡将会计分5次，中期的计分3次。
Military Operations Scoring. Whenever either nation achieves a +3 military operations advantage over the other nation, the nation with the advantage immediately scores 1 VP. The military operations levels for both nations are then reduced to 0. If both nations achieve a military operations level of 3 or higher at the same time, their levels are reduced to 0.
军事行动的得分。每当一个国家领先其他国家三点军事行动，那个国家马上获得1个胜利点，然后双方的军事行动点都归零。如果双方的军事行动点都同时到了3或者以上，那双方都归零。
Defcon Status. The game ends and the player loses if the Defcon status ever reaches 1. The nation that is ahead on the VP track can improve the Defcon level by choosing not to play a card as either an event or Ops. Instead, the player may use the card to improve the Defcon level by the Ops value of the card.
核危机状态。如果核危机降到1.，那么游戏结束，玩家输掉游戏。在胜利点上领先的国家，可以通过不使用卡的事件或者是行动点，来提升与行动点相同的核危机等级。
The Space Race Track is not used in this variant.
太空竞赛不在这变体上使用。
Victory Conditions. The player wins if he can push either nation to an automatic victory, while playing both sides as effectively as possible. If the game deck is exhausted and neither player has won an automatic victory, the player wins if the combined best scores of the USSR (treat the score as a positive number) and the USA are 30 or more VPs. Keep track of the highest VP level both nations achieve during the game.
胜利条件。当任何一个国家自动胜利的时候，玩家获胜。如果牌堆的牌用尽而没有一个国家自动获胜，但两个国家的曾经最高得分之和超过30分的话，玩家也算获胜。在游戏中放置标志来提示两个国家能达到的最高分。

绿城桂花城

其实严格来说，晨昏对峙不能归类为真正的战棋吧？居然还是常年Wargame的No.1 ？！

alexjuven

请问加菲，你有没亲测过这种变体规则，感觉如何

wxdaxmh1314

找不到人開就F14。。。在被虐中提高水平。。。
話說我在F14磨練之後跟朋友面開TS一面倒了，有點悲催

alexjuven

是不是策略性体现在全面掌握一百多张牌后啊否则基本就是见牌打牌有点不是太有头绪啊

heimdall

alexjuven 发表于 2010-12-5 10:51
是不是策略性体现在全面掌握一百多张牌后啊否则基本就是见牌打牌有点不是太有头绪啊

首先,你应该要知道整个游戏一共有几个区域,一共有几张记分卡,哪个阶段可能会出现哪几张记分卡,然后你跟着积分卡跑,哪里可能会记分就搞那里,或者跟着对手跑,对手搞那里你也搞那里,然后开始漫漫的被高手被虐,熟悉各种牌,等你对牌的了解到了一定阶段的时候,这个时候你也应该向你的对手学到了不少技巧和战术,这个时候,游戏的乐趣才刚刚开始

新手建议使用美国3盘,让老手给你演示苏联的打法3盘
然后新手开始用苏联,直到胜利

新手苏联没有胜利过的就不要用美国了.....

hcllineker

枫岫主人发表于 2010-12-4 14:06
如果你是一个被纳粹关起来的奥地利会计，也许可以solo

好像有个小说就是这样.

枫岫主人

hcllineker 发表于 2010-12-6 05:35
好像有个小说就是这样.

象棋的故事——史蒂夫茨威格