问个死里逃生的问题

zx32167

本帖最后由 zx32167 于 2011-7-18 18:13 编辑

有人给我说死里逃生在要么就被杀要么救被弃，不能全部救。。。。
反正我看字面意思就是全部都救回来。。。。
求解~~~

db123456

全部

zhaoanruo607

本帖最后由 zhaoanruo607 于 2011-7-18 17:53 编辑

Put into play from their owner's dead piles or discard piles all characters that were killed or discarded from play this phase. (Limit one per phase.) Any opponent may discard his or her hand of at least 1 card to cancel this effect.

我觉得“from their owner's dead piles or discard piles ” 、“that were killed or discarded from play”有个OR 不是AND 只能选择要么把死亡堆的弄进场要么把弃牌堆的弄进场

william42

zhaoanruo607 发表于 2011-7-18 17:50
Put into play from their owner's dead piles or discard piles all characters that were killed or disc ...

因为英文总不能写discarded and killed,那到底是被杀还是被弃

zhaoanruo607

william42 发表于 2011-7-18 18:33
因为英文总不能写discarded and killed,那到底是被杀还是被弃

被杀或被弃中选一个以前FAQ上专门针对死逃的文字表述做出过调整的

zhaoanruo607

william42 发表于 2011-7-18 18:33
因为英文总不能写discarded and killed,那到底是被杀还是被弃

Put into play from their owner's dead piles or discard piles 重点是这句话这句话也在前

william42

zhaoanruo607 发表于 2011-7-18 18:35
被杀或被弃中选一个以前FAQ上专门针对死逃的文字表述做出过调整的

FAQ对死逃做的调整仅是加了（每阶段限制一次）

zhaoanruo607

william42 发表于 2011-7-18 18:50
FAQ对死逃做的调整仅是加了（每阶段限制一次）

针对NS的第一个文字描述修改是“from play"

zhaoanruo607

william42 发表于 2011-7-18 18:50
FAQ对死逃做的调整仅是加了（每阶段限制一次）

每阶段限制一次是后来才加的

william42

zhaoanruo607 发表于 2011-7-18 19:01
每阶段限制一次是后来才加的

我在FFG上下的FAQ2.4，针对死逃的就2处，一是加了每阶段限制一次，二是成为限制牌

zhaoanruo607

william42 发表于 2011-7-18 19:05
我在FFG上下的FAQ2.4，针对死逃的就2处，一是加了每阶段限制一次，二是成为限制牌 ...

最原始的死逃是 Put into play from their owner's dead piles or discard piles all characters that were killed or discarded phase.

接着某一次FAQ改成了Put into play from their owner's dead piles or discard piles all characters that were killed or discarded from play this phase.

最后改成了Put into play from their owner's dead piles or discard piles all characters that were killed or discarded from play this phase. (Limit one per phase.)

给你附了张原始死逃的卡牌。。。你看下就明白了
我的意思就是 FFG经过两次FAQ修改都没把OR 改成没有歧义的AND 我相信这个OR是指弃牌和死牌堆二选一的意思

william42

如果按你所说Put into play from their owner's dead piles or discard piles all characters that were killed or discarded from play this phase.是选一种放进场的话，那么如果是两种都放进场，你觉得该怎么写

psychokiller

zhaoanruo607 发表于 2011-7-18 21:28
最原始的死逃是 Put into play from their owner's dead piles or discard piles all characters that we ...

最原始的死逃是 Put into play from their owner's dead piles or discard piles all characters that were killed or discarded phase.

接着某一次FAQ改成了Put into play from their owner's dead piles or discard piles all characters that were killed or discarded from play this phase.

其實這2個意思一樣
因為只有在場的角色才能被棄或被殺

matrix3301

全部回来，不论被杀还是从场中被弃。这个OR是两个牌堆无论哪一个都可以回来，而不是两者选一的概念。

zx32167

matrix3301 发表于 2011-7-18 23:25
全部回来，不论被杀还是从场中被弃。这个OR是两个牌堆无论哪一个都可以回来，而不是两者选一的概念。 ...

原来是这样，，，

psychokiller

zhaoanruo607 发表于 2011-7-18 21:28
最原始的死逃是 Put into play from their owner's dead piles or discard piles all characters that we ...

英文教學

A or B 只要滿足A B 任何一個就成立

A and B A B 2個都要滿足

Either A or B 滿足條件 A成立並且B不成立
B成立並且A不成立

psychokiller

william42 发表于 2011-7-18 18:33
因为英文总不能写discarded and killed,那到底是被杀还是被弃

英文是可以寫discarded and killed

skypig

william42 发表于 2011-7-18 21:50
如果按你所说Put into play from their owner's dead piles or discard piles all characters that were ki ...

两种都进场：Put into play from their owner's dead piles and discard piles all characters that were killed or discarded from play this phase.

H你妹啊

从手牌被弃不能回场吧？

zx32167

不能，只对场上的角色有用