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冰火版图2版的武将在相互作用过程中有很多值得讨论的问题，在查阅了BGG当前讨论之后，汇总了一下：
（我做出如下解释的一个基础想法就是，应该不存在某张牌完克另外一张牌作用的情况，最差的情况是二者同时打出，相互作用削弱，也至少都能发挥出一部分效果。）
1、
I would like to ask you guys what happens in the next situation:
Iron throne positions: Tyrell: 5 Stark: 6
It's Tyrells turn, who attacks Martell. Martell plays his Doran Martell House card, and moves Tyrell to the last position of the Iron Throne Influence track. That means:
Iron throne positions: Stark: 5 Tyrell: 6
What happens now?
- After the 5th player comes the 6th, who is Tyrell again, and Stark is left out of this turn?
- Or will we let Stark to have a turn and then comes Tyrell again?
- Or will the replacement made by Martell not be taken into account in this round, so noone is left out nor have 2 moves? (This way the card effect loses it's meaning "immediately", which for example if choosing Fiefdoms Influence track could be pretty important.)
Maybe any other idea?
(I know it's a pretty foolish and rare decision, so let's assume that Tyrell is already on the last position of the other Influence tracks, and Doran is the last card in Martell player's hand, so there is no other chance
以上是有人提出的，关于doran martell如果改变王座排名顺序，是否在本轮马上执行，导致战败者被降行动顺序，可能再一次行动的问题。
我倾向于这次战斗特效降序的重新排名，其效果发生于所有人都轮流行动一个行军命令之后，即，所有人的下一个行军命令开始排序的时候。
因为如果立即发生，反而可能造成被降序的一方，本来应该是劣势的一方，反而获得了比别人多一次行军的好处，和doran对对方的削弱初始意图不符合。
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Tyrell attacks, plays Loras. Martell plays Arianne, and loses. What happens with Loras' ability? I assume Tyrell either can't move the token and has to discard it, or can move the token and it's not resolved anyway because there are no troops. Is this correct? Another interpretation would say that Loras' ability means he keeps his token in the source space, but a strict reading of the card doesn't seem to support this
Arianne Martell VS Loras，loras战胜又根据arianne的卡牌不能进入战胜领地，这时候能不能保留行军标志的问题，这个问题我想不明白现在还。。。求合理结算方法
（我倾向于Loras不进入战胜领地，这样满足了arianne的牌技能，但是保留在发起进攻区域的行军标志，以便这回合晚些时候再行动）
3、
Baratheon and Stark are in combat together. Baratheon plays "Patchface", Stark plays "Roose Bolton", with Stark losing.
Patchface lets Baratheon discard one of his opponent's house cards from their hand, after combat.
Roose Bolton lets Stark pick up all his discarded house cards, if Stark has lost combat.
Patchface VS Roose Bolton的问题，这个问题的我认为合理的结算方法是，不按照王座顺序来结算，而是统一先Roose Bolton后Patchface，这样让两张牌都有一定的作用发挥，而不是一张堵死另一张的所有效果。
另外，支持这种结算顺序的理由，还可以从英文说明书上找到：
P19：should a timing conflict occur，fllow this order of operations：
1、。。。。。
2、。。。。。
3、after the outcome of combat is determined， any “win/lose this combat.....” text abilities are resolved in the plyaer order of the Iron Throne track
。。。。
after the combat，。。。。。。@#%￥@#￥%（这里的大意思是说，手里只剩下一张武将牌，出完了怎么办）
对应第3条，roose bolton的牌上正写的是：if you lose this combat。。。。。可以看出这张牌的特殊效果，是在outcome determined的时候就已经发挥了，而determined的时候，还不是end of the combat，patchface的牌上写的则是 after combat。。。
所以这也说明了先Roose Bolton后Patchface的合理性。
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还有一个问题就是说Patchface VS对方手里最后一张牌的结算方法，我倾向于对方先收回剩余先出的6张牌，再让Patchface方选择性弃掉一张牌，这样也保证了补丁脸的作用可以发挥。
还有一个理由，就是补丁脸的牌的特殊作用处，没有写明if able，而小恶魔的牌上就写明了if able，所以应该说我理解，FFG认为，不存在补丁脸不能弃对方牌的情况发生。
